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PostSubject: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:00 pm

Guyz,

Time to change my ori Yoko soon. Been eyeing this 2 tyres have was wondering if any of u guyz have experience on these two. Size i'm considering will be 225/45/18 if possible.

Quiet - Will it be better than ori Yoko? Approx %?
Dry Grip - Will it be the same?
Wet Grip - Will it be the same?
Weight - Is it heavier than ori Yoko?
Best price u know incl location, name of shop (only in Klang Valley).

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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:36 pm

Bro, Both these tyres are definatley quieter than the stock Yokos..

IIRC, the price for 912 are RM450++ and T1R are RM580++...

As for the handling and weight, I'm not sure as I've only changed to Michelin PP2 and now Dunlop SP Sport..
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:06 pm

Bro GuyM, pinjam ur thread ...hehehe

i,m on 17" any tyre recommendation? my budget around rm350 per tyre..

i dun reli trash my car...so prefer to have a comfy n less noisy tyre...

thinking to go for falken 912...wat do u guys think?
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:24 pm

take Yoko A Drive lo, guarantee quiet and below ur budget.
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:59 pm

DK,

Falken 912 at $45o where to find la? Ctc no. pls

Kamsiah!
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:44 pm

Currently using Toyo C1S. After about 5,000 km, IMHO, good grip and performance on both dry and wet, noticeably more quieter then stock. Can not comment on T1R though. cheers


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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:48 am

Scissorshand wrote:
DK,

Falken 912 at $45o where to find la? Ctc no. pls

Kamsiah!

Soli GuyM.. I made a huge mistake.. the RM450 is for Falken 522 and not Falken 912.. soli.. paiseh paiseh..
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:16 pm

No harm done. Btw was at Leon's place last Sat and tempting to try the Nexen 8000 model coz its cheap at RM390 as opposed to S Drive Yokos RM490. But still haven't changed yet and i've clocked 37k km on stock tyres ady.I'm one fussy bastard and still undecided which tyres to go. Heart tells me still to S drive or Falken 912
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:28 pm

Seriously GuyM, just to share.. personally I've no confidence on those unbranded new tyres like Nexxen, Pinso, Federal, Nankang or whatever.. One of our bros had issue with the Pinso..

If money is not a major obstacle, I would suggest that you go for proven branded tyres.. I was penny wise pound foolish with my tyre selection..

I bought 225/45 18' Dunlop SP Sport FM901 (Indon made) as a replacement for my 215/45 Michelin PP2s.. Although handling in wet and dry is good but it's noisy like HELL.. Like driving a lorry after speeds of 100km/h.. Now stuck with this tyres for another 25,000kms.. sigh..

The moral of the story i wanna share is "you pay for what you get".. Invest in a good rubber so that you will enjoy your driving for another 40,000kms..
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:43 pm

I agree & believe cheap things dun normally come good while good things dun normally comes cheap. As I mentioned, will very likely go with S Drive, Toyo or Falken. But pricing, think Leon's offer on S Drive is cheapest I found so far.

Btw, sold my Aprillia ady. Give up superbike for now till wife gets over the 3x crash tis year alone in the track of course. So looks like tis LGT will be my "SD" machine for now.

Damned 9 sad!!!!!!

Btw, thanks for sharing yr experience.

Cheers!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:51 am

i guess i am in a good position to comment on Falken 912. Used em' for <40k.

Falken 912:
Initial impression:
1. Cheap <RM500.
2. Good grip in dry
3. Lousy grip in wet
4. So-so noise

Swap at around 15k front back. Used all the way till about 39k then i changed to pinso. Why?

1. Getting more and more noisy
2. Car shaky when whacking PD coastal road bend
3. Terrible handling in wet.

My impression for Falken vs Pinso
1. Pinso is much much cheaper.
2. Pinso is slightly quieter. (this one may be a bit bias, as Pinso was new while 912 worn off liao)
3. Pinso has better handling in wet. Falken is better in dry. (subjective feel)

Ask me to choose again, i will pick Pinso over Falken.

But if can get S-Drive at <$500 225/40/18, i will definitely got for S-drive.
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:45 am

Strike961, what are the tyre specifications of the Falken 912 and pinso ?
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:32 am

You can check the reviews and test lab reports of these tyres in tirerack.com. Its comprehensive, at leasts for the famous ones.

Nexen8000 is reportedly good, you can try checking it out in Spec-R. I'll scan it and put it up, but in 2010.
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:11 am

225/40/18 lo...the other parameters like threadwear index i dunno la
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:14 pm

225/40/18.....too wide lor member. Try to stick with 215/45. Difficult task I know.
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:05 pm

I thought most whom have changed to 18" from 7 - 8J will be more suited to use 225 width. The only thing is that there are conflicting views that 225/40 series would be better fit compared with 225/45 series.
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:02 pm

i was comtemplating between 40 vs 45 last time. In order to reduce sluggishness (dunno how true it is) i opted for 40 profile. 225 makes better grip but worse aquaplaning. 40 makes the wheel arch gap worse for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:28 am

u have to see the width of your tires then decide on 40 or 45.

for 225 to 245, go for 40 series. for 215, then 45 series. otherwise, ur tires not only not wide enuf but also not thick enuf. this give u tremendous Noise and Harsh ride
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:42 pm

225/45 heavier by 1 kg per pc. Opt for Michelin Pilot Sport 2. End of story liao.
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:07 pm

Like that i need to drop 4 kgs if i were to choose S Drive la Don. So anyone knows what's da bestest price in KV, not Aussie, for S Drive 225/45/18 ?
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:59 am

rotational mass reduction from 4kgs off 4 tyres = 35kgs la...

You wan the best price? Try Desmond, and compare from there....
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:57 pm

Ok, back to Falken 912, after lookin around Klang, i finally found the same shop that i bought my Advan RZ replica for RM1780 i think. He quoted RM450 per pc for 912 225/45/18 and RM420 for 225/40/18 respectively.

Then abt 1 km away, there's another shop that sells Altenza & Kenda tyres of 225/45/18 at RM360 & RM320 respectively but quoted 912 at RM510 per pc. Well, just askin coz ain't gonna go for those China made brands for now....

Btw, i did called Leon of Quicksave on Thurs and he quoted RM450 or more (can't remember for Nexen N6000) for 235/40/18!!!!!!! No more stock for 225/45/18 N6000 but for the price diff of RM50 compared to 912 i got from GoodWood Tyre & Service Sdn Bhd (in Klang Jaya formerly known as Goodwood), i'd rather buy the 912 for branding and reputation. My Toyota is using 912 with 195/55/15 and has clocked more than 30k km and did 1st rotation swap b4 CNY 2010. It's still bearable compared to A10 tyres of course.

Anyway, my stock A10 Yokohama has now approached approx 42k km ady and i think, visual inspection shows abt 20% left of it all round. Today went up Genting around 230pm with wifey & son, it was dry yet cloudy a bit. Up at Genting it was cooling of course with lots of mist.

On the way up, tapau every car i see, Merc E280, Camry 2.4V, Altis, FD2 etc etc doin 2-3rd gear on paddle shifts all the way up. I have to admit, in such situations, i LUV the damned noisy A10 coz it GRIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the way up and taking hard corners w/o screeching at all!! I'm AMAZED with 20% left it still grips and did not even drift (maybe i did not push harder), oversteer or understeer at all. Surprisingly i did not see those Genting Nissan Sentra taxi otherwise it'll be a good comparison.

Coming down at abt 10pm ++, very misty but dry road, its still the same. I luv these tyres like hell just today onli and also the other time i went up Genting with it last year.

I doubt the Falken 912 will give me this assuring/confident feeling as the A10 Yokohama. There's few new comers at LZ, selling their new or shall i say 90% tyres, hopefully will get it at a discount even though its noisy lor. Otherwise, its Falken 912 that fits by budget.
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:08 am

vote for TOYO..
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:25 am

in term of better grip, go for toyo
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:02 am

using toyo for more than 40k ady..
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:17 am

I'm assuming yours is T1R right? Got conflicting reviews especially on the wear at Autoworld forum. What's yr size then?
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:39 pm

nobe la bro. no need extream to T1-R laa..
im good enough wearing Toyo Proxes CT01. size 235/40R18. Its completed silence killer shoe with my ISC BBK & ISC coilover leg..



Toyo Proxes CT01

With the worldwide research of various road conditions, PROXES CT01 has been developed to meet the demand of quietness.
PROXES CT01 is especially for luxury vehicle bringing out the high performance at every stage of driving scene.

To achieve the global comfort PROXES CT01 has debut.

Rib pattern with silent wall
Rib pattern and specially designed rib wall adjust the airflow and reduce the noisy sound at every stage of driving scene.

Four straight grooves and silica compound
Having four straight grooves, PROXES CT01 perform superior water
drainage and silica compound provide excellent grip on wet road surface.

Stability rib at shoulder
This rib enhances the stiffness of shoulder block preventing Heel & Toe wear.


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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:19 pm

Thanks for the info GG, how much did u bought the last time? However, they dun have 45 series though...........
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:38 am

last time bought it in JB. for R18 rims, 45 siries tyre not so popular compare to 40 siries.
i did tried CT01 & DRB before. they were superb grib & quietness.
nx will give try for Proxes C1S (very good review on it).

est price for size 235/40 R18 :

Toyo Proxes CT01 around RM630/pc
Toyo Proxes DRB around RM650/pc
Toyo Proxes C1S around RM650/pc

TOYO PROXES C1S

TOYO introduces the new Proxes C1S is specially designed for comfort, luxury and performance cars.

The tread pattern on The Proxes C1S tire which is the highest grade premium comfort tire, features asymmetric pattern that meets the demand in luxury sedan, including quietness, riding comfort and high speed stability.
Toyo’s Silent Wall technology minimizes noise during operation at highway speeds by using dense, perpendicular serrations located along the main groove walls of the tread. The serrations help disturb the rushing air flow, which normally produces an audible sound known as “pipe resonance”, a condition similar to wind blowing into a flute. The result on Proxes C1S is an exceptionally quiet ride.

Tmode® computer design technology by Toyo® results in a tire that is smooth and quiet with improved overall wear characteristics .Another noise reducing feature of the Proxes C1S is a “five variable-pitch shoulder.” Essentially, the shoulder block “pitch pattern” repeats every fifth pair of shoulder blocks to suppress harmonics during operation.

Computer Optimized, Unidirectional, All-Season Tread Design




  • Aggressive, modern design provides a good balance between wet traction and dry handling.
Silent Wall™ Technology




  • Reduces pipe resonance, resulting in a quieter ride.
Five Variable Pitch Design On Shoulder




  • Reduces pattern noise.
Linear Grooving




  • Lower pressure on the block edge for better wear and handling.
Multi-Wave Sipes




  • Minimize irregular wear for a smooth, quiet ride. Increase all-season traction.
Modern Sidewall Design




  • Adds a sporty appearance.

The Proxes C1S has the range from 15 to 22 inches with extra load type of luxury sedans.
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:54 pm

Hahaha Very Happy Very good info, GG Very Happy

I'll be goin for the Yoko S Drive from JS Auto in S Alam tis Sat as i find his price is da best so far. I saw the tyre, late 2009 mfg year, cannot wait any longer coz last weekend up Genting caused my sides to go bald ady!!!!!!!!!

C1S will have to wait, hope will get 10 mth bonus tis coming Sept, then can opt to change if not happy with S Drive 225/45/18

P/S: I still dunno how to post pic here..........
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:08 pm

my next tyre will be toyo R1R..
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:41 am

Tis one like wanna challenge GG onli.................
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:00 am

Wow bro, TOYO Proxes RIR for high performance bro. suit for aggressive drive style.


Silica-Reinforced, High-Grip Tread Compound



  • Improves grip for better handling and performance during high-spirited driving.
TOYO Proxes RIR
The Proxes R1R is extreme performance for serious street driving in sports coupes and sedans.
Developed from years of grueling on-track experience and engineered to elevated performance standards, it allows capabilities beyond normal driving limitations. An aggressive, arrowhead tread design, extra wide footprint, high-grip compound, and advanced autocross-inspired casing design, provide every advantage while driving hard through the corners and quickly accelerating in the straight-aways.
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:13 am

Jom R1R.. FYI evo FQ400 stock tyre is toyo R1R..
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:55 pm

..... poisonous TOYO R1R
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue May 18, 2010 12:25 pm

waaa found this TOYO tread, wanna add a bit la

Scissorshand wrote:
I'm assuming yours is T1R right? Got conflicting reviews especially on the wear at Autoworld forum. What's yr size then?

scissorhand, altough toyo tyre tread-wear rating quite low as it is a soft compound rubber, as long as u maintain tyre pressure and alignment, it can last quite long.


as for R1R its very grippy but it wear faster in the middle. T1R .... a good all rounder
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PostSubject: Re: Toyo Proxes T1R VS Falken 912   Tue May 18, 2010 9:11 pm

Ady change S Drive lor............now happy with it, quiet than A10, grippy (cos its still new), wider tread 225/18/45. Treadwear is 280, so ok la, can last me abt 40k km
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